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I’ve handled horses for the last 3 decades of my life. They’ll inevitably be part of my life until I die.

I got my first horse when I was 11. That was all she wrote. From 4H to college rodeos, from open barrel races to PRCA rodeos, I’ve done and am still doing it all — as much as my checkbook will allow. 


I gave my first riding lessons at age 16; Made my living training horses and students by the time I was in my late 20s. 


My goal with this website and endeavor is to share with you the things I learned the hard way. The things I learned with a lot of blood, a lot of sweat, a lot of tears and more anxiety than one would care to take on in a lifetime. 


Not only have I survived all of the above I’ve now arrived in a place where I’m thriving. Bring me the troubled horses; I’ll show you it can be done.  Because I believe it can. I believe in myself. I believe in the horse. 


My horsemanship style and philosophy is derived from decades of riding in multiple disciplines, riding for different trainers, riding for the public, and riding with different clinicians such as Curt Pate, and Buck Brannaman and my partner, Zach Ducheneaux. I’ve watched them take horses from where they are that day and improve them.

The philosophy boils down to a few things:

The horse is never wrong. Never. Ever. Ever. Never.
The horse is only ever doing what he thinks we want him to do, OR what he thinks he needs to do at that given moment to survive. 
Horses don’t have human emotions and to describe their actions as such, is doing a disservice to them. I believe it dishonors them as the noble creatures they are.  
There’s no magic potion to make a partner — it takes consistency, and patience. Your ego MUST be checked at the door. That’s a non-negotiable — ask me how I know.
Training a horse is mostly about training yourself — do this, and training a horse is easy. 
open spaces photography, mackenzie scheff, the dx ranch


    Zach and I roping together on a couple colts at our family branding in 2019.

If the above things don’t sound like a journey you’re interested in taking, I won’t mind. My feelings won’t get hurt. You have to do the things that you believe will work, for the horse, in order to succeed. What I believe in, maybe isn’t right for everyone. And that’s okay. But if you’re open to learning, checking your ego, and embracing some new ideas, this is the place for you. 


I can take you and your horse from the pasture to the pay window if you’ll agree to do the work. It won’t be easy. But it’ll sure as hell be worth it. 


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